Vox Veritas Vita

Rebuttal to BBF

Posted in Uncategorized by redomondo on March 23, 2010

Hello Dear Readers

This is posted as a rebuttal to the previous post on this site – Letter from a BFF named BBF.

I hope you enjoy it.

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BBF

i read some of the posts on your site. i couldn’t read everything. there’s far too much text.

M. Luther

Far too much text? You must be attempting to read the posts on our sister site, Peace, Order and Good Government.

The texts there are rather long I’ll admit. But no longer than your average Playboy editorital.

This is Vox Veritas Vita, a site dedicated to unmasking the new secular religion that is the environmental movement.

So far there have only been three posts on this site, all rather short.

Next time I’ll just post some pretty pictures.

I have heard they are worth a thousand words – that will be a nice break, it takes me so long to compose these rebuttals.

Here is something that might be up your alley, a misguided friend of mine who also blogs, put up this post.

10 counts of Earth Rape

Lots of nice pictures to pull at your heartstrings, no hard words to think about.

BBF

i appreciate that you maintain some of the views expressed but but i feel that expending energy countering environmentalists and arguing how the world needs more people and more capitalism is grossly misguided and naive.

M. Luther

I think we need to define some terms -By environmentalists, I do mean the deep green type, but also their fellow travellers such as the believers in Radical Depopulation of the Earth – of which there are a surprising number of very powerful people who hold those views.

As for the people who

simply recycle

pay too much for carrots to feel morally superior,

and think that windmills reduce CO2 output

I merely regard as useful idiots.

By “Capitalism” I mean Laissez-Faire capitalism in the Classical Liberal tradition.

whatisclassicalliberalism

I find that most people associate capitalism with the Americans, whose version of capitalism should really be known as Corporatism as far as I am concerned – and of course Mussolini said that was the same thing as Fascism, in his famous quote.

And if you didn’t know, Fascism is a form of SocialismAccording to Hitler.

So yes, I will continue to attack environmentalism, and promote Laissez-Faire Capitalism.

Though I will leave the Laissez-Faire Capitalism bit more to E. A. Blair.

BBF

Nor does it take into account many social and philosophical elements of the human animal.

M. Luther

Well, as stated above, this site only has three posts – with this one four, so I am sure we will get to it.

If you would like to eloborate on those issues, feel free, and I will post them here.

By the way, I agree that humans are animals, but we are the Rational Animals. Unique in this world.

BBF

i especially find it disturbing that someone can argue that because human beings reason and place value on life, that somehow we hold dominion over and are separate from the rest of animal life on Earth.

M Luther

That’s interesting – I don’t remember saying that – could you please quote me next time?

You may be making a Straw Man Argument – you should watch out for those.

Being that we are the Rational Animal, I do belief that we are separate – when you see a gazelle driving an SUV, let me know, I’ll rethink my position.

As for placing abstract value on all “life” as a totality, yes I think we do. And there are no animals that do the same. They exist only to serve their own self-interest, and the interest of their particular group, if they are a herd type animal.

I didn’t say we hold dominion – maybe you could use the word stewards, I feel that is what we have become.

Ray Harvey has a nice way of defining how through evolution, we became unique in the animal world.

The evolution of the human brain is the thing that created rights. How so? Because this evolution created a rational animal called a human being — which is to say, it created the freedom of the will. In slightly more religious terms than I’m candidly comfortable with, Dante Alighieri (1265-1321) otherwise put it well:

The greatest gift that God in His bounty made in creation, and the most conformable to His goodness, and that which He prizes the most, was the freedom of will, with which the creatures with intelligence, they all and they alone, were and are endowed (“Paradiso,” Canto V, lines 19-24).

BBF

there are very few animals in this world that kill at will and with impunity. humans have mastered that art…with one another and non-human animals alike.

M. Luther

Your point being? I said that we were unique – I see you are agreeing with me.

I can think of a creature that kills with impunity and for sport, the common house cat. My cats, now dearly departed, used to play with mice before killing them, would kill mice and birds and not eat them, but merely leave them on my front porch, and would occasionally toy with a mouse and then let it go.

Sounds like brutality to me.

In the wild, a lion will eat a gazelle while it is still alive.

I can’t think of something that would entail more agony – when we kill cows at a slaughterhouse, we have some thought for their mental anguish.

There are millions of predatory animals and insects in this world, all who kill without a care. All of them are amazingly competent at killing – we occasionally call them “Killing Machines”.

Our military often use the greatest killers as mascots for their units, to show how like these killing machines they have become.

Take a walk through the woods, there is death all around you.

I think we humans, especially those of us who live in cities, have forgotten just how nasty, brutish, and short life is in nature.

BBF

M Luther might learn something from how an animal will defend and shelter its young from predation. does that act not constitute the ability to reason that one’s offspring are of value…that their life has value?

M Luther

Of course Animals defend their young, but it is in their nature, it is not in their “reason” as you put it. They defend their young because they represent the continuation of their genes, nothing more, nothing less.

So how about when animals kill and sometimes eat their young – did they make a value based judgement on their young, and decide that it would be to their advantage to kill them?

Should that Animal be punished?

What moral code do animals live by?

Other than that imposed on them by us?

Tell me what you make of this picture.

You may want to read this piece on Peace, Order, and Good Government. I think it explains my position further.

Adventures in Denialism – Teddy Bears

BBF

Ultimately, i think that many of the arguments in the blogs posted are misguided.

M. Luther

In what way? Please elaborate.

BBF

why not use those energies for something positive

M. Luther

Such as? I am open to suggestions, and enjoy doing positive things, such as sharing my point of view with the world.

Making people think.

If one person thinks about what I have written, then I am happy.

BBF

instead of, for example, throwing skepticism on the environmental movement because certain small elements have a radical opinion. An opinion that no one is concerned with anyway because most rational individuals understand the ludicrous nature of their arguments.

M Luther

I don’t know where you get the idea that the Environmental movement is in any way fringe. Or that many of their radical views are not held by a great number of the population.

Ray Harvey puts it this way

Environmentalism has so thoroughly permeated world culture that the saving-the-planet rhetoric is accepted even by those who don’t really regard themselves as dyed-in-the-skein environmentalists. It is taught as holy writ in public schools, and it’s espoused by poets, priests, and politicians alike.

Ask the average person on the street if the earth is overpopulated – I’ll bet you they say yes, as some of my friends have offhandedly remarked to me. When asked what to do about it, the don’t have an answer.

Directly from the environmental movement.

That and Thomas Malthus.

Most every environmentalist is also a Malthusian – they probably don’t know what that means.

The litany of the environmental movement, ecological collapse, peak oil, climate catastrophe, ocean acidification, mass extinction, etc, etc, is widely believed by many people, and all of it is based on the most spurious of claims.

I know two couples who are only having one child to “save the planet”.

Those children will not have a sibling, and be alone in the world, all because of some sanctimonious environmentalist’s claims.

I think that is wrong.

I wouldn’t give up my siblings for the world.

So no, I won’t stop fighting against the environmental movement, and everything that is wrong with it.

Zero impact means Zero Growth and Zero Humans

Environmentalism is a DEATH CULT.

Best Reagrds

M. Luther.

BBF.

    M. Luther might learn something from how an animal will defend and shelter its young from predation. does that act not constitute the ability to reason that one’s offspring are of value…that their life has value?

    M Luther

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Letter from a BFF named BBF

Posted in Uncategorized by redomondo on March 17, 2010

Real life Bambi and Thumper

This letter was sent to M. Luther by a what I am sure will become a faithful reader of our blogs some day.

At the moment he does not seem terribly enamoured with the views expressed on this site.

Well only time will tell if this endeavour will cause us to “Win Friends and Influence People”

Or “Lose Friends and Alienate People”

As we certainly aren’t planning on stopping any time soon.

Below please find the letter. You can make up your own mind.

In the coming days, M. Luther will be posting a rebuttal.

And please note – no editing has been done. It appears only as I recieved it.

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i read some of the posts on your site. i couldn’t read everything. there’s far too much text.
i appreciate that you maintain some of the views expressed but but i feel that expending energy countering environmentalists and arguing how the world needs more people and more capitalism is grossly misguided and naive. Nor does it take into account many social and philosophical elements of the human animal.

i especially find it disturbing that someone can argue that because human beings reason and place value on life, that somehow we hold dominion over and are separate from the rest of animal life on Earth. there are very few animals in this world that kill at will and with impunity. humans have mastered that art…with one another and non-human animals alike. M. Luther might learn something from how an animal will defend and shelter its young from predation. does that act not constitute the ability to reason that one’s offspring are of value…that their life has value?

Ultimately, i think that many of the arguments in the blogs posted are misguided. why not use those energies for something positive instead of, for example, throwing skepticism on the environmental movement because certain small elements have a radical opinion. An opinion that no one is concerned with anyway because most rational individuals understand the ludicrous nature of their arguments.

Defending existence from oblivion

Posted in Uncategorized by redomondo on February 26, 2010

When you look through the fossil record of our earth, you will find that about 99% of the species of plants and animals that have existed on this planet are now extinct.

Nature doesn’t care about us, nature doesn’t care about tigers, polar bears, buffalo, dodos, peguins, 1000 year old redwoods, etc. etc.

Nature doesn’t care about biodiversity.

If a planet killing meteor was heading for the earth, nature wouldn’t lift a finger to stop it.

It could be easily argued that the only thing that has ever cared about our blue planet are homo sapiens.

Life, is a laissez faire system where various biological organisms compete for resources by adapting to their surroundings and exploiting niches through evolution. The most successful organisms are rewarded with continued existence, the others are condemned to extinction. Life creates order from chaos.

Humans are the only species that would intervene on behalf of another to save it from extinction. A lion would care not if it slaughtered the last gazelle.

Humans have managed through adaptation to rise to a point where we are not struggling on daily basis merely to exist. We have created order from the chaos. And now being in this position we look out over the earth and place value on it, we place value on life itself. I don’t know about you, but I think that is pretty important. We place value on something that this universe that we live in couldn’t care less about.

Now some people are mad that we have risen to this point, and would like to see us pulled back down into the daily struggle to survive, at the mercy of this cruel world we live in. They celebrate poverty, and would like to have half our children die before the age of five, our women die in childbirth, and healthy people be struck down by cureable diseases. And in the end they hope that we will become extinct too, just one more set of bones laying in the rock. And then there will be no-one left to care. No-one left to fight on behalf of life.

I don’t know what fuels this self loathing. Maybe in killing god, some think we have become the opressor that god was – and now our existence oppresses this earth so we too must be destroyed. We have tasted the fruit of knowledge and we must pay, because we have dared to succeed. We dare to reach fo immortality. We have dared to rise out of the dirt and have an impact on this earth. Let me tell you one thing, not one creature, not one plant has zero impact, zero impact is the same as zero existence.

Life is precious, and has value, because it is rare. As far as we know this planet holds the only life in existence in this universe, and at this point, we are the best chance that life has of continuing in this universe, of defending existence from oblivion. We are the masters of adaptation, and if we don’t make the mistake of giving up on ourselves, of thinking we have gone too far, that we have “progressed” enough, of letting those among us who want humans to have zero impact have their way, we will help life to spread throughout this universe, to make an impact.

Exposing the roots of the Green movement.

Posted in Uncategorized by redomondo on February 15, 2010

The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”

– Club of Rome

The Green movement is not as benign as you would think. Everyone believes that they care about the environment and saving it for humanity. Their real goal is saving it from humanity.

In the secularized west, we have forgotten what it is like to have the nagging guilt and obedience to the argument from authority, so we did not quite realise what was happening

As Ray Harvey Points out:

Environmentalism has so thoroughly permeated world culture that the saving-the-planet rhetoric is accepted even by those who don’t really regard themselves as dyed-in-the-skein environmentalists. It is taught as holy writ in public schools, and it’s espoused by poets, priests, and politicians alike.

This monstrous ideology would, given the first opportunity, destroy humankind, a fact of which the leaders of this movement make no secret.

The Green movement has been attempting to create a new religion based on worship of the earth, and a hatred of humanity.

It truly is a secular cult it has the worst aspects of a religion, but none of the life affirming qualities of traditional religions.

Unfortunately some traditional religions have decided to ally themselves with the green movement, and this is a very grave mistake. The Environmental movement wants only the death of the Human race.

1999 Parliament of World Religions in Barney’s Threshold 2000: Critical Issues and Spiritual Issues for a Global Age, p. 73 has the following quote:
“Down one path is a tragic wasteland. The climate has become hotter than today; floods and droughts are more frequent and more violent. massive amounts of soil have wasted into the sea. Most forests are gone. A large fraction of the Earth’s species are extinct, and the remaining ones are being lost rapidly. Oil and natural gas are gone.”

They use fear and guilt to try and control society. In their religion of hate, there can be no salvation. A human is a sinner from the day that they are born till the day that they die. So all the better that we die sooner. We suspect that is why they do not care about people suffering today, only people sufferng “tomorrow.”

In this New Religion, Scientist are the priest class, and people such as Al Gore are its Bishops.

Already the Green religion has been corrupted by money with the selling of indulgences know as “Carbon Offsetting”

View here one environmentalists view of what poor people need, from the movie Mine Your Own Business.

We at “Vox Veritas Vita” have been following this debate for about 5 years now, watching from the sidelines. We finally decided to get involved in the last few months because it has just come out that so much of the case for C02 reduction has been based on twisted science that serves the green movements outrageously misanthropic agenda.

We at Vox Veritas Vita are creating this blog for the average person who hasn’t been paying attention to the debate and doesn’t realize what all of this means. But if they click on all the links, they can get a good education. So please visit the site and send this email to anyone you know who wants to more about what is going on. It is very important, as the EPA is doing outlandish things like listing CO2 as a toxic gas. Which means that every living animal on this planet is now a polluter. And Polluters must die.

If you appreciate what we at Vox Veritas Vita have to say in this email and think it should be shared, please forward it to anyone you think might be interested. The future of humanity and this planet is too important to leave in the hands of these traitors to the human race.

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M. Luther